tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4163876234969175446.post3328952541772378977..comments2024-03-22T10:56:23.359+02:00Comments on Land and People: On naked emperors and other revolutionary learningsRami Zuraykhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14644937988631864952noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4163876234969175446.post-90011742467792598392011-02-12T19:28:07.549+02:002011-02-12T19:28:07.549+02:00Wow: Hmm not quite sure what to say to this Charle...Wow: Hmm not quite sure what to say to this Charles.<br /><br />It seems that everything is the same for you. From slightly left of center thru lib to neolib. Which seems to make thinking about things very difficult. Not that I don't sympathize, I prefer radical approaches to political problems. <br /><br />Nor did i talk about freedom being bourgeois. All i said is that from what i have seen it might be a possibility that the revolution might stop some where between Anti-Americanism and a wish to uphold the same economic structures that are at the root of a lot of peoples misfortunes in Egypt. These being very much based in neoliberal ideology, which i would say is something different though connected to US / EU imperial machinations.<br /><br />One can spout the same crap that OB is in terms of economics etc. and be Anti American. These are not necessarily mutually exclusive ideas for some, though i would argue that they are.<br /><br />And i'll repeat it, it seems to me that it is a certain section of society (not to say class) with a considerable income - (for Egyptian circumstances) i.e. not those in of need their daily wage (on a daily basis) to feed themselves and those they support - that frames the demands and desires of the revolution.<br /><br />And i think there is a possibility that as long as they can continue to go to the mall they'll be fine with the change but if more radical approach to economic restructuring etc were to threaten that, their support for the revolution might just disappear.<br />I am absolutely not sure that this is the case. But i think it is a real possibility.<br /><br />So i would interpret Freedom also as having the means to be free. If i can't afford to send my kid to school or whatever well then the freedom to do so i worth just about shit.<br /> <br />I couldn't be more happy about Mubarak and Suleiman being out of power. And i have the greatest respect for all those that went out there to protest.<br /><br />and a good day to you too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4163876234969175446.post-72503307351899920572011-02-12T16:42:37.458+02:002011-02-12T16:42:37.458+02:00I don't think you have a clue about anything w...I don't think you have a clue about anything when you say this:<br /><br /><i>When I said it seemed a very bourgeois revolution, it is because it seemed to me that the aspirations of those that where most visibly vocal during the last month, and those who seemed to be the ones framing the demands and desires of the demonstrators, where very much left liberal - we want to be free to live our cultural identities as we please - types. My interpretation is that this is still very much in line with neoliberal - consumption oriented ideals of the world.</i><br /><br />*****************<br /><br />You don't know what "liberal" is, you don't know what "left" is, you surely don't know what "neoliberal" is. The Mubarak regime supported by the US Government is/was ALL OF THOSE THINGS. In American parlance, "left" means Barack Obama, "liberal" means Barack Obama, "neoliberal" means Barack Obama. And Barack Obama means FASCISM.<br /><br />I surely do NOT think the Egyptian revolution was inspired by continuing the fascist regime headed by Hosni Mubarak and supported by Barack Obama and each of his Presidential predecessors.<br /><br />You should pay attention to what Crispin Sartwell says here:<br /><br />http://eyeofthestorm.blogs.com/eye_of_the_storm/2011/02/dont-let-these-fucking-totalitarian-lefties-tell-you-that-freedom-is-bourgeois-first-of-all-its-not-an-argument-its-just-a.html<br /><br />And you should be aware that "neoliberal" is fascist, it imagines that corporations should meld with the government in order to benefit the corporations under the guise of benefiting the people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com